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Post by azwnbfpro on Jul 24, 2010 8:07:47 GMT -5
Ok...Eric may remember me from back in the Mayhem days...so hopefully this is not taken as a troll type question due to my inactivity on this board.
Anyway...I am giving the system a run again after doing some other routines. Heres some problems:
I cant squat (hack or leg press) in the 4 - 6 range anymore. My knees have taken such a beating that when I do, I pay for it for the next 2 - 3 days. In fact that day the inflammation is bad enough that the joint is actually 'warm'. Please no comments about taking glucosamine, etc. Just curious how the power week would go if that is the case. Actually, why not just ask how would someone do the power week if any of their joint were like that?
If there is a specific thread on it, let me know.
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Post by downbutnotout on Jul 24, 2010 9:13:38 GMT -5
have you seen a doctor for this? there's a range of anti-inflammatory drugs available, especially for athletes. I'd highly recommend seeing a doctor if you haven't already.
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Post by azwnbfpro on Jul 24, 2010 9:47:05 GMT -5
have you seen a doctor for this? there's a range of anti-inflammatory drugs available, especially for athletes. I'd highly recommend seeing a doctor if you haven't already. No thanks on the anti-inflamms.....as a doc I know too many that have dealt with side effects from them. I should have added that ibuprofen actually doesnt do well with me. I take it, I feel some relief and after I stop taking it ALL other joints hurt. Like I said, just wondering how the program is altered in a case where someone cant train in those ranges. |
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Post by snowboardray on Jul 24, 2010 11:46:37 GMT -5
Is the weight being so heavy in the 4 - 6 range the problem? If so, what about dropping the weight but incresing the negative on power week to 6 - 8 seconds instead of 4? So instead of 225 X 4, you can do 185 X 4 with an 8 second negative. Then the joints don't take such beating, but the muscle still gets good stimulation from the time under tension. Just a thought.
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Post by downbutnotout on Jul 24, 2010 12:15:48 GMT -5
have you seen a doctor for this? there's a range of anti-inflammatory drugs available, especially for athletes. I'd highly recommend seeing a doctor if you haven't already. No thanks on the anti-inflamms.....as a doc I know too many that have dealt with side effects from them. I should have added that ibuprofen actually doesnt do well with me. I take it, I feel some relief and after I stop taking it ALL other joints hurt. Like I said, just wondering how the program is altered in a case where someone cant train in those ranges. oh cool, what's your area of practice? I've got some amazing drs in my family and I inherited the gene for being able to diagnose either myself or someone else, and now animals as I've worked at an animal hospital, the largest in the world. Fascinating stuff. For their arthritis some larger dogs prone to it would get cortisone shots. So you wouldn't be willing to do cortisone shots at the site of the pain? How are you on a really top quality brace? I have an awesome one, hella expensive, that totally helped get rid of my knee pain after some time. Pretty sure I had patellar bursitis, had it as a kid. I'm really not sure how you'd modify except going lighter and perhaps doing more reps regardless of the week, whether it be power week or rep range week. Do you warm your knees/legs up first before lifting? That seemed to help me too. I'd do 5 minutes on the bike before lifting and the pain was minimal. |
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Post by azwnbfpro on Jul 24, 2010 13:42:44 GMT -5
I do hella warmup.....foam roll. The whole deal. Years of always going heavy and deep for squats and leg press I think has taken its toll. That and probably not warming up as much as I do now.
I have been told when you go on HRT a lot of joint pain diminishes. Who knows.
Oh, and doing 6 - 8 sec negative I would imagine negates the whole point of doing a "power" week.
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Post by downbutnotout on Jul 24, 2010 14:47:27 GMT -5
I do hella warmup.....foam roll. The whole deal. Years of always going heavy and deep for squats and leg press I think has taken its toll. That and probably not warming up as much as I do now. I have been told when you go on HRT a lot of joint pain diminishes. Who knows. Oh, and doing 6 - 8 sec negative I would imagine negates the whole point of doing a "power" week. GH and HRT work wonders for many men. Something to think about. I've heard from men over 40 that are on GH and HRT and feel 20 years younger. |
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Post by All American Dave on Jul 24, 2010 16:03:10 GMT -5
I'm sorry and not intending to offend anyone as I love you DBNO (and this is not intended for you) but........ I'm so sick of people on STEROIDS using terms like TRT and GH treatment and the like... I could head down to my doctor RIGHT NOW and get a prescription for Test and Growth but it's still STEROIDS. The pharmaceutical industry is criminal and does not care about your/my or anyones health, they care about MONEY and if they are selling STEROIDS then they are making money.. WOHOOO everyone needs TRT!!!! geez give me a break, Steroids work for everyone just like other drugs, cocaine, Extascy, Heroin, etc.. they all "WORK" to make you feel good but what are they really doing to you?  ........... Okay I'm done. |
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Post by All American Dave on Jul 24, 2010 16:05:03 GMT -5
And to answer your question about the negatives, I think that would still be a suitable alternative to your knee issues. During power week you are intended to use a 4 second negative anyways, so slowing it down a bit more might alleviate some of the issues in your joints.
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Post by downbutnotout on Jul 24, 2010 16:59:36 GMT -5
I'm sorry and not intending to offend anyone as I love you DBNO (and this is not intended for you) but........ I'm so sick of people on STEROIDS using terms like TRT and GH treatment and the like... I could head down to my doctor RIGHT NOW and get a prescription for Test and Growth but it's still STEROIDS. The pharmaceutical industry is criminal and does not care about your/my or anyones health, they care about MONEY and if they are selling STEROIDS then they are making money.. WOHOOO everyone needs TRT!!!! geez give me a break, Steroids work for everyone just like other drugs, cocaine, Extascy, Heroin, etc.. they all "WORK" to make you feel good but what are they really doing to you? ........... Okay I'm done. Well you're placing steroids in the same category as fatal recreational drugs, which it's not. We all produce hormones, and some people need them, people who are burn victims are on them, people with wasting diseases are on them, I could go on. They have a very credible place within medicine. I can totally appreciate your passion for natural bbing but I'm going simply by science. There will always be debate as to whether they are good or bad. Within the confines of medicine however, I've read enough literature on steroids within a doctor's care and with someone who is ELIGIBLE to be very helpful. It's not a sin to want to get your energy, libido, help with depression, and strength back. My brother in law is slowly becoming as famous as my Uncle and he's on TRT. He's 43. He's a brilliant surgeon and wouldn't take anything that would be a negative. There's lots of different types of steroids in medicine. For asthma, for inflammation, birth control is a steroid (my doctor said this, not me). Of course pharma companies are gonna try to make as much money as possible. But let's not entirely crucify steroids and place them in the same category as heroin. I'm not natural, and there's lots of reasons for it. None that I'll list as it's no one's business. But if you ask Eric, he'll tell you I'm his hardest working client/warrior based on what I have to deal with medically and mentally on a daily basis. Let's not throw stones. Judge not lest ye be judged. He who is without sin cast the first stone. You know the drill. If anyone flames my response, Eric knows to basically kick your ass verbally. You get nasty with me, you're in trouble. He has assured me that NO ONE on this board will be allowed to flame me. |
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Post by The One on Jul 24, 2010 19:24:40 GMT -5
To answer this question...my recommendation in this case would be to adjust power week from 4-6 reps to 6-8 or 7-9. Or, you can still do power week 4-6 reps, but with a lifting tempo of about 5/1/1. The slow negative will force much lower actual weights to be used, but you can still work that 4-6 range.
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Post by azwnbfpro on Jul 24, 2010 19:33:16 GMT -5
I'm sorry and not intending to offend anyone as I love you DBNO (and this is not intended for you) but........ I'm so sick of people on STEROIDS using terms like TRT and GH treatment and the like... I could head down to my doctor RIGHT NOW and get a prescription for Test and Growth but it's still STEROIDS. The pharmaceutical industry is criminal and does not care about your/my or anyones health, they care about MONEY and if they are selling STEROIDS then they are making money.. WOHOOO everyone needs TRT!!!! geez give me a break, Steroids work for everyone just like other drugs, cocaine, Extascy, Heroin, etc.. they all "WORK" to make you feel good but what are they really doing to you? ........... Okay I'm done. Not to create an air of negativity...or get into a war...but lets hope that your wife/girlfriend never needs any estrogen therapy. Because that is just the same as a male needing testosterone. Its just that there has been boat loads of research on women needing it and very little (until recently) on men needing it. Just as an FYI...I am a lifetime drugfree competitor. After 25 years doing this my joints have taken a beating, my recovery is not what it used to be, even the sex drive has taken a little dip. So, if my values are not what they are supposed to be...do you HONESTLY expect me to sit here and "suffer"? So, with the help of an MD and blood tests I will be more than happy to have him put me on something that will put me back in the normal ranges. Will I be shooting 1000mg's of test a day..HELL NO!!! Again, what are they doing? They are being added to my body to put me back to where I am supposed to be. With all due respect, lets hope your test levels never drop. Are you aware that low levels of testosterone are linked to prostate cancer? Hmm...200mg of test a week or every other week under guidance of doctor to help out some of my issues....and prevent prostate cancer? Sign me up! I hope you arent the militant anti-drug type....it will only serve to create battles. Take it from someone who was for a good many years when I started training. I changed my tune after learning more. As I said, it took me 25 yrs to even ENTERTAIN the idea of putting something like that into my body. Eric...so, with a change in rep range on power day, would a change in rep week also been in order? For example, using 7- 9 reps on power, then 12 - 15 on rep week? |
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Post by snowboardray on Jul 24, 2010 20:43:41 GMT -5
And to answer your question about the negatives, I think that would still be a suitable alternative to your knee issues. During power week you are intended to use a 4 second negative anyways, so slowing it down a bit more might alleviate some of the issues in your joints. Thanks for echoing the same sentiment Dave... As a matter of fact az, it would require MORE POWER to do a slower negative. |
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Post by tapo31 on Jul 24, 2010 21:22:46 GMT -5
I do hella warmup.....foam roll. The whole deal. Years of always going heavy and deep for squats and leg press I think has taken its toll. That and probably not warming up as much as I do now. I have been told when you go on HRT a lot of joint pain diminishes. Who knows. Oh, and doing 6 - 8 sec negative I would imagine negates the whole point of doing a "power" week. Actually, it doesn't negate it's point at all, what it does is increase the time under tension, which would be relatively little considering you are only doing 4-6 reps per set. That being said, if this doesn't work, I would just consider doing an extra rep range or shock workout in place of power week for your legs. |
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Post by tapo31 on Jul 24, 2010 21:36:12 GMT -5
I'm sorry and not intending to offend anyone as I love you DBNO (and this is not intended for you) but........ I'm so sick of people on STEROIDS using terms like TRT and GH treatment and the like... I could head down to my doctor RIGHT NOW and get a prescription for Test and Growth but it's still STEROIDS. The pharmaceutical industry is criminal and does not care about your/my or anyones health, they care about MONEY and if they are selling STEROIDS then they are making money.. WOHOOO everyone needs TRT!!!! geez give me a break, Steroids work for everyone just like other drugs, cocaine, Extascy, Heroin, etc.. they all "WORK" to make you feel good but what are they really doing to you? ........... Okay I'm done. Don't worry, you didn't offend me at all and you are my boy, but some of the points you make here are way off base. First off, if you could head to your doctor right now and get testosterone or HGH at your age then you go to a unprofessional doctor. At the very least, a good doctor would do blood tests for the level of these hormones, especially at your age. At the most, he wouldn't prescribe them at all unless your lack of these hormones resulted in a medical condition. Secondly, for you to classify the entire pharmaceutical industry as criminal is blanket prejudice. Your (and my) favorite supplement company is part of the pharmaceutical industry in case you forgot. Do pharma companies want to make money? Sure, all successful businesses in this country strive to make a profit. Also, do you appreciate that it costs over 1 billion dollars to get a drug through clinical trials to release? Do testosterone and HGH approach even a fraction of big pharma income? Nope. These drugs are manufactured for a relatively rare set of conditions and thus have a minimal market. In addition, by FDA regulations, these cannot be marketed for other conditions. Therefore, it is the doctors discretion to prescribe them for anything other than their indicated use. Finally, to compare drugs manufactured under extraordinarily strict GMP to street drugs is a stretch by anyone's definition. There are side effects to prescription meds and there are side effects to illicit street drugs, but the quality of prescription meds and their dose range are studied for years prior to release. Anyway, I understand what you are saying Swanny....you are against the use of steroids. I am right there with you, for myself it is not the right avenue, but to blame pharma companies for a problem that is largely driven by the illegal import of raw materials and production of mixtures in basement "labs" is off base at best. |
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