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Post by BIGMAX6 on Jul 21, 2009 21:30:17 GMT -5
Anybody try doing AAKG postworkout?
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Post by tank316 on Jul 22, 2009 5:56:05 GMT -5
Anybody try doing AAKG postworkout? Yes.  2 tabs to start off with, and For me and my weight, I use 3 now. But Use your own judgment. |
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Post by proteinshake03 on Jul 26, 2009 20:40:07 GMT -5
Yes...I usually rake it in the morning then preworkout and then again about an hour after my workout.
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Post by Ivan Drago - aka Arny/Dolph/AM on Sept 18, 2009 7:11:48 GMT -5
Anybody try doing AAKG postworkout? So far I have read about 25-30 peer reviewed double blind journal published scientific studies not merely demonstrating the ineffective nature of AAKG, but actually showing measureable decreases in performance. I haven't taken any supplements for a little over 2 years now, aside from a Fish Oil from Sam's Club |
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Post by rantorcha on Sept 18, 2009 10:30:49 GMT -5
Anybody try doing AAKG postworkout? So far I have read about 25-30 peer reviewed double blind journal published scientific studies not merely demonstrating the ineffective nature of AAKG, but actually showing measureable decreases in performance. I haven't taken any supplements for a little over 2 years now, aside from a Fish Oil from Sam's Club Ivan, I'm not sure what the reason is behind your non-supp useage - it's ok with me either way. But if you want to add muscle to your frame, you really HAVE to try the Flex Wheeler Series from All American EFX. Is this a bit of a sell-job....yeah. But, for those who know me, I would NEVER suggest or recommend anything that didn't work. This is hands down the best supp protocol I have ever used...all drug-free and all tested! Have a look. And don't take my word for it. As others on this board about them. |
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Post by Ivan Drago - aka Arny/Dolph/AM on Sept 19, 2009 21:21:27 GMT -5
So far I have read about 25-30 peer reviewed double blind journal published scientific studies not merely demonstrating the ineffective nature of AAKG, but actually showing measureable decreases in performance. I haven't taken any supplements for a little over 2 years now, aside from a Fish Oil from Sam's Club Ivan, I'm not sure what the reason is behind your non-supp useage - it's ok with me either way. But if you want to add muscle to your frame, you really HAVE to try the Flex Wheeler Series from All American EFX. Is this a bit of a sell-job....yeah. But, for those who know me, I would NEVER suggest or recommend anything that didn't work. This is hands down the best supp protocol I have ever used...all drug-free and all tested! Have a look. And don't take my word for it. As others on this board about them. Yo man! Well my cessation of supplement usage was two-tiered. My good friend started a supplement LLC last month, and I am involved with it, especially on the research side. Some of the journal publications for the past few months, or even few decades, goes right against the grain of what many supplement manufacturers are purporting to be their current 'uber cure' for anabolic activity. As far as KRE-A is concerned, I have taken that on and off for about six years or so, and although I am well read on the ph system, supposed buffering advantages, and multiple ph zone patents held by the pioneer of the technology, I can't tell from a personal standpoint a massive difference in efficacy between mono and KRE-A. I'm very open to feedback; I have tried Sci-Fits, EFX's, Bodybuilding.com's Higher Power brand etc, and I seem to be just as strong and resilient against muscle fatigue as I am when I am off creatine. The other reason for the umbilical cord slashing decision on supplements, was a pure calculated financial choice. As most of you know from the years on the VPX and other forums, I have always spent well over $1,000 every few months on supplements, and getting prepared for any of my contests over the years would be cause for a similar investment required for getting a used car. After getting married and investing so much of our finances into our new home, our 401k retirement portfolio, various investments and trying to expand our small business, I couldn't honestly find a justified allowance in our budget for supplements... ESPECIALLY since I have worked with and for so many companies over the years, and I have seen them created, formulated for them, written for them, and become very educated on the fact supplements you see online for $40 and in GNC for $70, COST ABOUT $8 to produce!!! As of right now... of course the bodybuilder inside of me wants to reach for my wallet; but the other part of me realizes I am still weighing my food, counting my carbs with a measuring cup, performing cardio multiple times per week, and lifting like a rabid wild animal - so I can't see the reaped rewards of that labor being amplified by anything over the counter. |
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Post by Rick on Sept 19, 2009 22:33:54 GMT -5
Ivan, I'm not sure what the reason is behind your non-supp useage - it's ok with me either way. But if you want to add muscle to your frame, you really HAVE to try the Flex Wheeler Series from All American EFX. Is this a bit of a sell-job....yeah. But, for those who know me, I would NEVER suggest or recommend anything that didn't work. This is hands down the best supp protocol I have ever used...all drug-free and all tested! Have a look. And don't take my word for it. As others on this board about them. Yo man! Well my cessation of supplement usage was two-tiered. My good friend started a supplement LLC last month, and I am involved with it, especially on the research side. Some of the journal publications for the past few months, or even few decades, goes right against the grain of what many supplement manufacturers are purporting to be their current 'uber cure' for anabolic activity. As far as KRE-A is concerned, I have taken that on and off for about six years or so, and although I am well read on the ph system, supposed buffering advantages, and multiple ph zone patents held by the pioneer of the technology, I can't tell from a personal standpoint a massive difference in efficacy between mono and KRE-A. I'm very open to feedback; I have tried Sci-Fits, EFX's, Bodybuilding.com's Higher Power brand etc, and I seem to be just as strong and resilient against muscle fatigue as I am when I am off creatine. The other reason for the umbilical cord slashing decision on supplements, was a pure calculated financial choice. As most of you know from the years on the VPX and other forums, I have always spent well over $1,000 every few months on supplements, and getting prepared for any of my contests over the years would be cause for a similar investment required for getting a used car. After getting married and investing so much of our finances into our new home, our 401k retirement portfolio, various investments and trying to expand our small business, I couldn't honestly find a justified allowance in our budget for supplements... ESPECIALLY since I have worked with and for so many companies over the years, and I have seen them created, formulated for them, written for them, and become very educated on the fact supplements you see online for $40 and in GNC for $70, COST ABOUT $8 to produce!!! As of right now... of course the bodybuilder inside of me wants to reach for my wallet; but the other part of me realizes I am still weighing my food, counting my carbs with a measuring cup, performing cardio multiple times per week, and lifting like a rabid wild animal - so I can't see the reaped rewards of that labor being amplified by anything over the counter. I guess when you look at the finished product, the cost would be quite low. But you had just stated some involvement in a supplement company...would you be willing to break even, or just run a lower than normal margin for the sake of saying...my supps are cheaper? As with any business you rely on supply and demand. Where a supplement may be too expensive for you, it may be priced just right for 1000 other people...see where I'm going. I personally think a person that is as disciplined as yourself (with regard to eating) would probably benefit more from a supplements than a person just half way going through the motions. |
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Post by Ivan Drago - aka Arny/Dolph/AM on Sept 21, 2009 12:35:48 GMT -5
Yo man! Well my cessation of supplement usage was two-tiered. My good friend started a supplement LLC last month, and I am involved with it, especially on the research side. Some of the journal publications for the past few months, or even few decades, goes right against the grain of what many supplement manufacturers are purporting to be their current 'uber cure' for anabolic activity. As far as KRE-A is concerned, I have taken that on and off for about six years or so, and although I am well read on the ph system, supposed buffering advantages, and multiple ph zone patents held by the pioneer of the technology, I can't tell from a personal standpoint a massive difference in efficacy between mono and KRE-A. I'm very open to feedback; I have tried Sci-Fits, EFX's, Bodybuilding.com's Higher Power brand etc, and I seem to be just as strong and resilient against muscle fatigue as I am when I am off creatine. The other reason for the umbilical cord slashing decision on supplements, was a pure calculated financial choice. As most of you know from the years on the VPX and other forums, I have always spent well over $1,000 every few months on supplements, and getting prepared for any of my contests over the years would be cause for a similar investment required for getting a used car. After getting married and investing so much of our finances into our new home, our 401k retirement portfolio, various investments and trying to expand our small business, I couldn't honestly find a justified allowance in our budget for supplements... ESPECIALLY since I have worked with and for so many companies over the years, and I have seen them created, formulated for them, written for them, and become very educated on the fact supplements you see online for $40 and in GNC for $70, COST ABOUT $8 to produce!!! As of right now... of course the bodybuilder inside of me wants to reach for my wallet; but the other part of me realizes I am still weighing my food, counting my carbs with a measuring cup, performing cardio multiple times per week, and lifting like a rabid wild animal - so I can't see the reaped rewards of that labor being amplified by anything over the counter. I guess when you look at the finished product, the cost would be quite low. But you had just stated some involvement in a supplement company...would you be willing to break even, or just run a lower than normal margin for the sake of saying...my supps are cheaper? As with any business you rely on supply and demand. Where a supplement may be too expensive for you, it may be priced just right for 1000 other people...see where I'm going. I personally think a person that is as disciplined as yourself (with regard to eating) would probably benefit more from a supplements than a person just half way going through the motions. You make an excellent point that I can't refute, and the basis of your point seems to be my usual logic for convincing that small voice of opposition in my head as I browse bodybuilding.com, that I deserve and even 'need' supplements in my endeavors. I realize that there aren't many athletes out there that 12 months a year, even when not fathoming a competition of any type within the forseeable future, measures their cottage cheese with a cup before bed, and weighs their chicken breast throughout the day while preparing their meals one at a time and never using cheese, ketchup, ranch dressing or any other needless additive. In the end, at this point in time... I believe I am so focused on the overarching monetary plan I have in place and in motion with my wife, it doesn't come down to simple cost/benefit ratios for me, but cost/loss ratios. Even if a supplement could improve my athletic performance by 10%, my potential for investing, saving, and expanding home equity would be diminished. Basically, I could be described as "cheap" from an unlearned onlooker, but since I spend a thousand dollars a month on chicken, tuna, steak, and beef - that label doesn't really stand. If a supplement came out, tomorrow, or in 2050, that had irrefutable lab certified repeated efficacy surrounding it that would act in concert with training and nutrition to elicit steroid like results, I would not only spend money on it, I would invest in the company and become a volunteer employee at the warehouse just to breathe in the excess manufacturing powders... |
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Post by The One on Sept 21, 2009 13:05:30 GMT -5
Anybody try doing AAKG postworkout? I use EFX Nytric Pro 4 times per day...before meal 1, pre-training, post training, and before final meal. |
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Post by tank316 on Sept 21, 2009 19:24:55 GMT -5
Anybody try doing AAKG postworkout? Yes. 2 tabs to start off with, and For me and my weight, I use 3 now. But Use your own judgment. Now that were into Sept/Oct I have upped my dose, 1 with morning meal and lunch 1 45 min before training and with my meal before bed. |
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Post by Ivan Drago - aka Arny/Dolph/AM on Oct 4, 2009 15:15:41 GMT -5
The One/others,
What are your thoughts about the dimishing effects of L-Arginine supplementation over time and the inability to continually modulate arginase? I am going to get those initial citations for arginine research and lab studies I read a short while ago; so my claims of the only proven measureable efficacy results of arginine adminstration aren't just my opinions. More recent human studies have actually shown a zero net impact or advantage to any athletic markers, and in at least one published peer reviewed study athletes performance was actually eroded in direct correlation with arginine ingestion.
I think so much of the hyperbole and incessant advertising and rollouts of copy-cat products over the last decade has all been a result of that benchmark arginine study that showed a slight increase in performance, but only when injected, and I'm not entirely sure if the first study all those years ago was even on a human - I will have to check that with a business associate of mine this evening.
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2 tabs to start off with, and For me and my weight, I use 3 now. But Use your own judgment. 
