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Post by gstout on Sept 16, 2009 1:06:58 GMT -5
For the past few years Ive struggled trying to find a decent bulk diet. My question is what kind of diet would work best with prrs training? I'm not asking for a full blown personal diet, but a few suggestions would be greatly appreciated!
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Post by BIGMAX6 on Sept 16, 2009 5:23:41 GMT -5
I dont' know what Coach's protocol is on Bulking diet....
but I would assume it is just the same as any typical bodybuilding diet.
Just what is a "descent bulk diet". Give some examples of what you've tried before so maybe we can help you out.
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Post by gstout on Sept 16, 2009 14:12:49 GMT -5
The past couple of years Ive followed a DC training diet. Which consisted of taking in 2 grams of protein per body pound and any amount of carbs before 6pm, after 6 I would take in just protein and fat. I had good "weight gain" but questioned how much lean mass I gained. Every year Im heavier around the same bf%. But I feel that there has to be a more efficent way for me to gain quality mass.
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Post by Ivan Drago - aka Arny/Dolph/AM on Sept 18, 2009 7:47:58 GMT -5
The past couple of years Ive followed a DC training diet. Which consisted of taking in 2 grams of protein per body pound and any amount of carbs before 6pm, after 6 I would take in just protein and fat. I had good "weight gain" but questioned how much lean mass I gained. Every year Im heavier around the same bf%. But I feel that there has to be a more efficent way for me to gain quality mass. I have been reading a lot about the nutrition artifice inclusive of the "no carbs after...." rule of law; Monica B. (Figure Pro) follows this self imposed golden rule, but I am not very reassured that all of these varying carbohydrate theories are not simply anecdotal on-the-fly attempts at pacifying their own fears of bodyfat gain. The line you cited about "any amount of carbs" before 6, would be/could be a devestating stipulation when put into motion, for someone like... ohhhh... me, lol. Basically, when a calculated aggregate caloric intake is divided between the primary macronutrients as many prevalent bodybuilders have taught with unwavering belief over the decades, I think your stated bulking goals would be much better served by means of balance. A carbohydrate should not be a feared foe, but rather a productive and pragmatic partnership when "injected" correctly into your daily routine. Although I am not an IFBB pro (last time I checked, I'll have to verify that) I feel carb cycling is still the most dynamic methodology when implemented with a slide-rule protein intake that ascends and descends in correlation with carb intake in order to balance out nitrogen retention levels while promoting lipolysis in a manner that circumvents catabolism. But, to be fair and offer full disclosure... I have never adopted the phrase "bulk diet" as a legitimate term when used in its classic context. Any so-called diet, by inherent design, is a construct manifested as a tier of a larger overarching precept acting as a catalyst to improve body composition - it simply varies in levels of intensity; meaning a contest dieting athlete might implement his program with more exclusion of foods/additives/condiments, than an athlete with a 6mo-1yr bridge between contests. |
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Post by gstout on Sept 18, 2009 10:03:22 GMT -5
Thanks, I have seemed to have forgotten about carb cycling but I have researched it quite a bit in the past. But you have revived my interest in the topic.
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Post by BIGMAX6 on Sept 19, 2009 7:18:14 GMT -5
So from previous dieting, do you know if you body can take in lots of carbs or no?
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Post by Ivan Drago - aka Arny/Dolph/AM on Sept 19, 2009 21:07:48 GMT -5
Thanks, I have seemed to have forgotten about carb cycling but I have researched it quite a bit in the past. But you have revived my interest in the topic. My pleasure... Chris Aceto had published some interesting books over the years on the topic that are good reads, and has also been a recurring author contributing in Weider owned magazines. Carbohydrate cycling is something I've done over the years with great success, so I can be a confident proponent of it; but as the old saying goes... what works best, is what works best for you. Oh, I did want to disclose something; regarding my comment about the misguided practice of subjectively cutting carb intake past a certain time in the afternoon/evening, even I find myself weary of ingesting carbohydrates as a portion of my final daily meal. But cutting all carbs post 2 or 5pm seems like a drastic measure that is not necessitated at all; unless the athelte is obese or trying to overcompensate in a short amount of time for their nutritional ills over the previous months. |
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Post by ChemProf on Sept 21, 2009 11:04:41 GMT -5
In regards to carb cycling, are you talking about daily, weekly, monthly, other? Do you have a low, medium and high carb days during the week? Or do you have high carbs on workout days and low carbs on rest days? What about calorie cycling? I recently read an article in Natural Bodybuilding about doing two weeks of a cutting diet which allows you to lose fat without losing muscle then two weeks of a bulking diet which allows you to build muscle without storing too much extra as fat. Unfortunately I am not dedicated enough to do that. I tried a little while but wasn't able to make it through too many cycles before deciding that was too much effort. I just try to eat clean now.
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Post by Ivan Drago - aka Arny/Dolph/AM on Sept 21, 2009 12:15:23 GMT -5
In regards to carb cycling, are you talking about daily, weekly, monthly, other? Do you have a low, medium and high carb days during the week? Or do you have high carbs on workout days and low carbs on rest days? What about calorie cycling? I recently read an article in Natural Bodybuilding about doing two weeks of a cutting diet which allows you to lose fat without losing muscle then two weeks of a bulking diet which allows you to build muscle without storing too much extra as fat. Unfortunately I am not dedicated enough to do that. I tried a little while but wasn't able to make it through too many cycles before deciding that was too much effort. I just try to eat clean now. You know who had a nice write up about this, Tim Wescott (Master's Champ) over on his Weights on the Web forum, but I can't recollect the hyperlink right now. To answer your question, I am referring to daily carbohydrate cycling, using weeks as the start/end schedule. I will do a high day, followed by a zero, followed by a medium, followed by 2 low, followed by a medium, and ending with a low (7 days) Protein stays sufficient (1.5g/lb of BW) and fats are not injected purposefully, but are allowed to naturally occur in normal foods, without being restricted by design. |
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Post by gstout on Sept 22, 2009 20:14:30 GMT -5
So from previous dieting, do you know if you body can take in lots of carbs or no? Ive noticed that when I ingest high amounts of carbs during the first part of the day and taper off I can stay relatively lean. I also know that when I have high carbs through out the day and night I feel and look bloated and even when I wake up in the morning I look bloated. |
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Post by The One on Sept 22, 2009 21:20:58 GMT -5
Protein should remain about constant, bulking or cutting. When bulking, however, you are best off adding additional carbs, especially into your first meal of the day...your pre-workout meal...and your post workout meal. These are the times your body will utilize them best for muscle building purposes, as opposed to storage purposes. You will also want to include more saturated fats, as well as EFA's in your diet when looking to gain mass.
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Post by BIGMAX6 on Oct 2, 2009 5:35:10 GMT -5
In regards to carb cycling, are you talking about daily, weekly, monthly, other? Do you have a low, medium and high carb days during the week? Or do you have high carbs on workout days and low carbs on rest days? What about calorie cycling? I recently read an article in Natural Bodybuilding about doing two weeks of a cutting diet which allows you to lose fat without losing muscle then two weeks of a bulking diet which allows you to build muscle without storing too much extra as fat. Unfortunately I am not dedicated enough to do that. I tried a little while but wasn't able to make it through too many cycles before deciding that was too much effort. I just try to eat clean now. You know who had a nice write up about this, Tim Wescott (Master's Champ) over on his Weights on the Web forum, but I can't recollect the hyperlink right now. To answer your question, I am referring to daily carbohydrate cycling, using weeks as the start/end schedule. I will do a high day, followed by a zero, followed by a medium, followed by 2 low, followed by a medium, and ending with a low (7 days) Protein stays sufficient (1.5g/lb of BW) and fats are not injected purposefully, but are allowed to naturally occur in normal foods, without being restricted by design. |
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Post by godstrength on Oct 2, 2009 11:40:24 GMT -5
Protein should remain about constant, bulking or cutting. When bulking, however, you are best off adding additional carbs, especially into your first meal of the day...your pre-workout meal...and your post workout meal. These are the times your body will utilize them best for muscle building purposes, as opposed to storage purposes. You will also want to include more saturated fats, as well as EFA's in your diet when looking to gain mass. I whole heartedly agree with Eirc on this approach- Chris Aceto mentioned in a previous post will also tell you the same thing. I've networked with Chris some in recent months. Even he will advise cycling carbs sparingly. Like any other approach, there are many variables to consider. I have the great pleasure of having Eric as a prep coach, and in a very short amount of time, he got me in the best condition of my life. I continue to use the exact same program in the off season, but have of course increased the various macro intake. Personally I have a hard time with carbs, but Eric designed my plan in a way that my body would use them very effeciently. My post workout carb intake was HUGE, but I dropped 3lbs my first week with Eric. We did not carb cycle at all, but simply decreased my carb intake on my off days. |
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Post by Ivan Drago - aka Arny/Dolph/AM on Oct 4, 2009 15:04:41 GMT -5
You know who had a nice write up about this, Tim Wescott (Master's Champ) over on his Weights on the Web forum, but I can't recollect the hyperlink right now. To answer your question, I am referring to daily carbohydrate cycling, using weeks as the start/end schedule. I will do a high day, followed by a zero, followed by a medium, followed by 2 low, followed by a medium, and ending with a low (7 days) Protein stays sufficient (1.5g/lb of BW) and fats are not injected purposefully, but are allowed to naturally occur in normal foods, without being restricted by design. THANK YOU! I googled and bing'd the crap outta that and couldn't find it... geez! Proboards are nice because they are free and accomplish a great purpose, but I wish they were search engine friendly. Thanks again  timwescott.proboards.com |
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