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Post by Blade on Mar 19, 2010 8:12:51 GMT -5
Hey gang, been trying to get in here more but so much going on I have been too busy to fall back into a good routine but now the shoulders are better and I can hit the gym harder.
Obviously cardio and changing my eating habits will get me from 236 back to 215 but I was looking for some assistance and saw a new product from ALRI. I have always been very satifsfied with their product and was curious on some input of Venom v Poison.
Any advice or opinions.
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Post by jona67 on Mar 19, 2010 11:13:01 GMT -5
I've been curious about this product too. Hopefully Kyle will have some input on Poison!
Have you tried the new Liquid Clen be VPX?! I was lucky enough to get a "sample" 240 ml bottle at the arnold this year from our friend greg! I love it!
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Post by Blade on Mar 22, 2010 14:23:53 GMT -5
Well I ordered the new spearmint from VPX and got the old rotten gold schlaegger tasting one. Here is what Kyle told me in an email about it:
It's a great product. I feel a very high level of euphoria and FOCUS using the product. It seems to last a long time and it provides you with "surprises" of energy/well-being throughout the day. It's like every 45-60 minutes you get this jolt of feeling good.
Personally, I have not used it for fat burning, but reviews are awesome. I actually think I like Hyperdrive better, but I'm in the minority.
Stacking Poison with T-X is probably your best bet. Use T-X for 4 weeks then discontinue and continue using Poison either alone or with Lean Dreams or another similar product. You should notice an immediate increase in thermal temperature and fat loss by stacking T-X and Poison.
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Post by jona67 on Mar 23, 2010 8:36:07 GMT -5
Well I ordered the new spearmint from VPX and got the old rotten gold schlaegger tasting one. Here is what Kyle told me in an email about it: It's a great product. I feel a very high level of euphoria and FOCUS using the product. It seems to last a long time and it provides you with "surprises" of energy/well-being throughout the day. It's like every 45-60 minutes you get this jolt of feeling good. Personally, I have not used it for fat burning, but reviews are awesome. I actually think I like Hyperdrive better, but I'm in the minority. Stacking Poison with T-X is probably your best bet. Use T-X for 4 weeks then discontinue and continue using Poison either alone or with Lean Dreams or another similar product. You should notice an immediate increase in thermal temperature and fat loss by stacking T-X and Poison. Nice! I am going to look into Poison after i finish my bottle of clen! |
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Post by downbutnotout on Mar 23, 2010 12:51:33 GMT -5
Do you mean real clen or faux clen that's a supplement? Cuz I'm using the ultimate of all clen's, it's called Icyplex, you inject it into fat deposits, it spot reduces but also overall fat loss, it's combined with yohimbine so you have to start off with a small dose cuz it will WIRE you all day. You'll have to force your food down it's so great at appetite suppressant. You gotta inject it IM though. If you want to stay on it for more than 2 weeks you gotta get some ketotifen to keep your beta receptors working. Benadryl is ok, but ketotifen is stronger.
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Post by The One on Mar 23, 2010 15:33:37 GMT -5
Do you mean real clen or faux clen that's a supplement? Cuz I'm using the ultimate of all clen's, it's called Icyplex, you inject it into fat deposits, it spot reduces but also overall fat loss, it's combined with yohimbine so you have to start off with a small dose cuz it will WIRE you all day. You'll have to force your food down it's so great at appetite suppressant. You gotta inject it IM though. If you want to stay on it for more than 2 weeks you gotta get some ketotifen to keep your beta receptors working. Benadryl is ok, but ketotifen is stronger. No, he means Clenbutrx, which is a legal OTC supplement from VPX. |
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Post by proteinshake03 on Mar 23, 2010 18:29:24 GMT -5
Yes the Clenbutrex HC from VPX is awesome, I am using that right now stacked with EFX's Lean Fix and I am currently 4.5 weeks out from contest and the most peeled and shredded I have ever been!
Also the ALRI Poison is good too, Kyle gave me a few samples and described it as I believe "legal adderall"..lol..definitely keeps you focused and alert.
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Post by downbutnotout on Mar 24, 2010 8:14:06 GMT -5
Oh well I'm glad an OTC supp is working so well for you guys. Most, 95%, do nothing for me. I'm a medical anomaly. I gotta use the real deal. Supps just don't cut it for me might as well be taking M and M's. Mmmmmm, wouldn't that be great lol? Taking a few M and M's then getting a great pump? Oh, if the world were perfect....
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Post by jona67 on Mar 24, 2010 8:46:47 GMT -5
Do you mean real clen or faux clen that's a supplement? Cuz I'm using the ultimate of all clen's, it's called Icyplex, you inject it into fat deposits, it spot reduces but also overall fat loss, it's combined with yohimbine so you have to start off with a small dose cuz it will WIRE you all day. You'll have to force your food down it's so great at appetite suppressant. You gotta inject it IM though. If you want to stay on it for more than 2 weeks you gotta get some ketotifen to keep your beta receptors working. Benadryl is ok, but ketotifen is stronger. Negative! Liquid Clenbutrx by VPX. I'm all set with injecting myself with anything! |
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Post by downbutnotout on Mar 24, 2010 9:04:42 GMT -5
yeah I know most of y'all are anti-pinning. But I have spent thousands on supplements that people say work great for them but for me it's like taking a placebo. I have to use all the real stuff and do it the "real" way. I'm envious of those who respond to supps. I wish I did. But internally, my liver, and other organs, are like a rhino's. I'm so accustomed to huge doses of toxic chemicals (medications I need to stay alive and lucid) my body has become immune to anything that isn't hard core. And the hard core stuff I gotta take large doses of too. I'm not your average woman. LOL you'd be dead on what I have to take daily that's prescribed for me.
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Post by Blade on Mar 24, 2010 14:11:53 GMT -5
well the receptors are designed to only absorb soo much so some of the placebo you feel is that you need more to gain. for others, they started out with not using OTC way to young and have made their bodies dependant on the pinning and have lost their normal hormonal function. i am not going to know anything so please dont take offense for I was young once and tried many routes and found natural is best
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Post by downbutnotout on Mar 24, 2010 14:46:42 GMT -5
Well first off I'm not young, I'm 30 and I've been lifting for 10 years, 8 of those totally natty. Not even really using supplements. I know my "shit" sir. I've studied every compound under the sun over and over again. I'm a grown woman using things maturely and with knowledge. Don't assume I'm some dumb young boy pinning waaaaaay too early. I don't even think men or women should pin til they have at least 7 years of lifting and are age 25 or older. Preferably 27.
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Post by Blade on Mar 26, 2010 13:49:38 GMT -5
Well first off I'm not young, I'm 30 and I've been lifting for 10 years, 8 of those totally natty. Not even really using supplements. I know my "shit" sir. I've studied every compound under the sun over and over again. I'm a grown woman using things maturely and with knowledge. Don't assume I'm some dumb young boy pinning waaaaaay too early. I don't even think men or women should pin til they have at least 7 years of lifting and are age 25 or older. Preferably 27. Glad natty worked for you, praise Jesus. For some of us though, it doesn't. Thanks for sharing. As a grown woman and all your studies you know that there is no bouncing back after going to the other side. You will forever change the make up of your body and voice. Nobody is putting you down, we are expressing our thoughts and it would be a lie to say we never went down that road in our pasts but if you are a woman, who is designed to not have a high testosterone level why would you want it? To me it's not worth the muscle since it leads to a constant stream of money and damage to your other organs that must process the poison. I sense a little "roid" rage there missy. To each his OR HER own. 99% here choose to stay natural with OTC supplements that sure, are similar to the synthetic doping, but do not have near the side effects. What we preach, if you will, is that there are fundamental basics that have never changed when looking to add muscle. It is those basics, with some help from technology, that allow us to develop slowly and not lose what we gain once our cycle has ended. So yes, I do praise God because HE is my steroid and my last stint on stage I placed second in a non-tested event. There were many on stage that prefer the other ways to gain muscle but I choose not to and wanted to prove a point. Capisce? |
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Post by The One on Mar 26, 2010 15:17:35 GMT -5
Ok, before this goes any further I want everyone to refrain from any personal attacks, personal accusations, or personal opinions that are in some way putting down another person.
Now, in the case of Blade/Corrie...I can tell you that she does not suffer from roid rage...she is just an intense individual who unfortunately has endured a lot of sh%t in her life and when cornered will fight back. At the same time she is also a gal with a heart of gold, tremendous intelligence and an insatiable desire to achieve greatness with her physique. Because she has chosen to use steroids/drugs as part of her journey, that does not make her a bad person, or one that should be looked down upon. It is her body and her choice and her consequences to deal with if there are any. She also works EXTREMELY hard in the gym and at the table, and does so with handicaps that few of us could imagine.
Now, as for Blade...this is truly a great guy and one who has been by my side on these boards for years! He speaks his opinions very strongly and I have total respect for him and what he stands for.
You are both wonderful people so please keep things civil on my board. There will often be things that we disagree upon, bu that is no reason to make things personal.
Thanks!!!
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Post by Blade on Mar 28, 2010 17:41:13 GMT -5
Eric, I do apologize if my words were too much for Corie to handle..
Yes I am an intense person and have my own ministry but that does not mean one person is more Christian than the other. The T-shirt company I started with the saying in my signature was for one reason. I am no longer chemical dependent and I want to put a positive message out there.
Corie, God has give us all spiritual gifts and if He lays it in my heart to be intense, that I will be regardless of what happens. There are many in here that I blog to daily with Words from God to help inspire, strengthen faith, and show people how to use their Gifts from God to help others as God wants us to be. There are some things I would like to talk to you about but no in here. Some of the things you have stated put a revelation in me that maybe I came down on you hard because God would like you and I to have a conversation and put the healing into full effect.
There are a lot of things we need to learn about each other and I think you see why I am soo intense, especially if you want to throw God into this picture. I don't take that lightly at all. I have my special gifts that was laid into me at a very young age and maybe like you, I see the world through two sets of eyes that most can not understand.
I will leave you with this as I end this conversation. God spoke this to me long ago when I was at rock bottom not just a few years ago when going through a divorce.
"There is nothing you can to TODAY that can change your past, It's what you do TODAY that will change your future"
We have all been faced with struggles and been abused to one extent or another in our lives (Yes men too) and these are just chapters that shape your life and it's what we take from it that will either hold us back or propel us to the next level. Maybe some of these things you have experienced were just so that you can help others like myself. A person can not effectively be counseled by another whom not shared the same experience. A person who was not an addict has not clue what its like to be one and in my opinion, can only reach a addict to a certain extent. Text books and education can only take us so far but our life experiences, take us beyond.
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