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Post by Ivan Drago - aka Arny/Dolph/AM on Oct 18, 2009 11:18:36 GMT -5
After soaking up the glorious brain wrinkling rays of enlightenment from a NSCA journal paper regarding GI potential in post-exercise efficacy, I thought it would also be a great idea to partner the book worm stuff with real world answers... SHARE YOUR TOP CHOICES for fibril glycogen replenishment and insulin flooding after your best 'The Pump is Better than Cumming" impersonation
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Post by Ivan Drago - aka Arny/Dolph/AM on Oct 18, 2009 11:20:31 GMT -5
PS: According to the Glycemix Index... Carrots SURPASS everything from white bread, to honey, to corn flakes!!!Would you ever choose to toss in carrots as a viable option for post workout rebuilding?
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Post by Ivan Drago - aka Arny/Dolph/AM on Oct 19, 2009 12:20:48 GMT -5
Very cool article... ESPECIALLY for the competitive athletes here: www.musculardevelopment.com/content/view/1792/51/It talks about common mistakes made while dieting, its good to brush up on some things every now and then, like only weighing your food uncooked, or cooked (if you always use the same cooking method) in order to ensure accuracy of protein content...
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Post by godstrength on Oct 19, 2009 12:49:49 GMT -5
PS: According to the Glycemix Index... Carrots SURPASS everything from white bread, to honey, to corn flakes!!!Would you ever choose to toss in carrots as a viable option for post workout rebuilding? While I am always a fiend for sicience, sometimes the results in the gym will contradict science. So it begs the question. Do you follow the science for the sake of science, OR do you follow you FEEL works best for you, inspite of the science?? Personally, I choose the ladder. I am not sure I agree with the metrics used to classify the food items listed- mostly because I am not sure I agree with the Glycemic index itself. In short, I feel like it is a over-hyped measurement for foods. In my opinion, one food being a point or two higher or lower is not going to offer a noticable result. That said, my post work carb of choice is not even a fast carb, but a slow one. I use oats, about 40g of them mixed into my whey shake. Why? Although I can feel the rush of fast carbs post workout, in just a short time they leave me feeling flat and drained. Conversley, slow carbs like oats, or rye bread help maintain my pump longer, and I do not feel a crash or drained. Also conversley I use fast carbs preWO instead of slow. I have found that consuming fast carbs PREwo give me a pump faster than slow carbs. Espcially when I use Cell Rush PREwo. The fast carbs quicken the parathesia from the BA contained in Cell Rush. Don't get me wrong, I am a huge fan of science. However there are times when science doesn't always make sense in the gym...
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Post by Ivan Drago - aka Arny/Dolph/AM on Oct 19, 2009 13:34:11 GMT -5
PS: According to the Glycemic Index... Carrots SURPASS everything from white bread, to honey, to corn flakes!!!Would you ever choose to toss in carrots as a viable option for post workout rebuilding? While I am always a fiend for science, sometimes the results in the gym will contradict science. So it begs the question. Do you follow the science for the sake of science, OR do you follow you FEEL works best for you, in spite of the science?? Personally, I choose the ladder. These two often diverse paradoxical paradigms should each be revered in their own right, and applied in concert in order to procure maximal substance and a balanced end result in my opinion.I am not sure I agree with the metrics used to classify the food items listed- mostly because I am not sure I agree with the Glycemic index itself. In short, I feel like it is a over-hyped measurement for foods. In my opinion, one food being a point or two higher or lower is not going to offer a noticable result. The original impetus behind the GI was simply to establish the rapidity of full circle assimilation through the necessary steps between ingesting foods and the eventuality of blood sugar manipulation; in short, chewing --> glucose --> blood sugar --> insulin modification. When you say you don't agree with the construct of the entire GI, do you mean in practice you choose not to put the findings into your own protocols/decisions, or you discredit the entire foundational research that comprises the system itself?That said, my post work carb of choice is not even a fast carb, but a slow one. I use oats, about 40g of them mixed into my whey shake. Why? Although I can feel the rush of fast carbs post workout, in just a short time they leave me feeling flat and drained. That flat/drained feeling is usually effectuated as a controlled and expected useful chain of responses that bodybuilders implement in order to elicit an insulin release; which then acts as a carrier for the recently ingested refined carbohydrates and amino acids to initiate the reparation process. This is usually why most experienced athletes or 'iron practitioners' will overwhelmingly advocate your essentially 'liquid meal' taken immediately after your workout, with a balanced carb-ratio whole-food meal shortly thereafter. Don't be discouraged from taking full advantage of known and substantiated science that will aid in your goals, simply because you feel derailed and ultimately left exhausted like an anti-climatic descent from your iron pumping.Conversley, slow carbs like oats, or rye bread help maintain my pump longer, and I do not feel a crash or drained. These sources also serve a pretty high purpose (sounds religious eh?) in your nutrition, but the timing is just a little off. I would like to address the rye, or more categorically bread as an encompassing plurality. Bread = good tasting, I know - I'm human, and after about five thousand years of taste bud indoctrination since presumably day-1 that humans learned agriculture after beating animals with blunt objects and dragging them back to caves, we're instinctively drawn to toast and butter. But in the mystified air that envelops bodybuilding, bread has been somewhat (mistakenly) accepted as a useful tool, as long as it is the "whole-grain" variety. Unfortunately, this is not true (although up until not long ago I was a fallen victim under those same pretenses) because bread (like rice cakes incidentally) are processed none-the-less, and this processing yields their carbohydrates much more like a predestined providence to follow the yellow brick road (read: gastro intestinal winding staircase) to blood sugar conversion at an expedited rate. Also conversley I use fast carbs preWO instead of slow. I have found that consuming fast carbs PREwo give me a pump faster than slow carbs. Espcially when I use Cell Rush PREwo. The fast carbs quicken the parathesia from the BA contained in Cell Rush. Quick carbs have been invariably verified as an anabolic trigger ad nauseum - so they can be/and are exceedingly advantageous when timed correctly; there are dissenters out there en masse that might purport simple carbs only belong post-workout, but I'd like to excerpt many of the journals I've read lately and offer my couple copper Lincolns that they are actually best employed during the workout (or what many savvy updated supplement companies are marketing as intra-workout). The litany of leverage you control when making full use of this (increasingly science substantiated) utility is almost immeasurable. Don't get me wrong, I am a huge fan of science. However there are times when science doesn't always make sense in the gym...
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Post by Ivan Drago - aka Arny/Dolph/AM on Oct 22, 2009 14:34:52 GMT -5
PS: Does anyone ever use cornbread PWO?
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Post by Stew on Oct 22, 2009 17:23:18 GMT -5
Been consuming cornbread (made with "cream of corn" soup) with legumes (primarily pintos or navy) for PWO carbs long before Lil Arnie got a license to drive.
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Post by Ivan Drago - aka Arny/Dolph/AM on Oct 22, 2009 18:14:06 GMT -5
Been consuming cornbread (made with "cream of corn" soup) with legumes (primarily pintos or navy) for PWO carbs long before Lil Arnie got a license to drive. LOL! NICE... Cornbread = ridonkulously delicious!!! HEY STEW
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Post by The One on Oct 29, 2009 12:26:28 GMT -5
My list could include:
-white rice -vitargo -dextrose -white potato -rice cakes
Depends on time of year...mood...availability.
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Post by rdsu on Oct 29, 2009 13:21:19 GMT -5
And maizena is not a good one?
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Post by Ivan Drago - aka Arny/Dolph/AM on Oct 29, 2009 13:25:13 GMT -5
My list could include: -white rice -vitargo -dextrose -white potato -rice cakes Depends on time of year...mood...availability. Hey Eric, thanks a lot for chiming in What are your thoughts and opinions regarding cornbread? (Jiffy... without butter obviously, lol) Thanks
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Post by The One on Oct 29, 2009 14:34:07 GMT -5
My list could include: -white rice -vitargo -dextrose -white potato -rice cakes Depends on time of year...mood...availability. Hey Eric, thanks a lot for chiming in What are your thoughts and opinions regarding cornbread? (Jiffy... without butter obviously, lol) Thanks Corn bread is good, as are corn grits ala Ronnie Coleman. Don't get overly caught up in the exact GI, just make sure its reasonably high and that the AMOUNT is reasonable in overall diet plan.
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Post by hossjob on Oct 29, 2009 17:09:27 GMT -5
Very cool thread. Can't believe I just saw it.
When I'm NOT prepping i"ll usually use a 2 pronged approach. I'll have a fast acting carb source IMMEDIATELY after training with Glutamine/BCAA/Creatine. 20-30 min later I'll have either a mix of low/hi gi carbs or low gi carbs with a shake or egg whites. Something like rice or potato.
When I start prep I usually continue to do this, but as Eric lowers my post wo carbs and I continue to get ravenously hungry, I opt out of the high gi liquid/powder carbs and even the whey shake. I'll use BCAA/Glutamine combo immediately post workout then I'll get home and eat egg whites or chicken with sweet potato or oats.
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Post by jbo on Oct 29, 2009 17:23:17 GMT -5
Very cool thread. Can't believe I just saw it. When I'm NOT prepping i"ll usually use a 2 pronged approach. I'll have a fast acting carb source IMMEDIATELY after training with Glutamine/BCAA/Creatine. 20-30 min later I'll have either a mix of low/hi gi carbs or low gi carbs with a shake or egg whites. Something like rice or potato. When I start prep I usually continue to do this, but as Eric lowers my post wo carbs and I continue to get ravenously hungry, I opt out of the high gi liquid/powder carbs and even the whey shake. I'll use BCAA/Glutamine combo immediately post workout then I'll get home and eat egg whites or chicken with sweet potato or oats. Interesting! I'm still at a point where I have some fruit and glutamine immediately PWO, then a while later, some Whole Wheat pasta
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Post by Ivan Drago - aka Arny/Dolph/AM on Oct 29, 2009 17:56:47 GMT -5
Hey Eric, thanks a lot for chiming in What are your thoughts and opinions regarding cornbread? (Jiffy... without butter obviously, lol) Thanks Corn bread is good, as are corn grits ala Ronnie Coleman. Don't get overly caught up in the exact GI, just make sure its reasonably high and that the AMOUNT is reasonable in overall diet plan. LOL... I just got Ronnie's " Unbelievable" DVD in the mail today from Netflix - ironic. I can remember that corn grits scene from one of his newer dvd's vividly. As far as corn bread - happy to hear that I am ( Yoda). I have only paid homage to the GI, in respect to it's spelled out numerically correlated glucose conversion rate. I don't abide by and act upon it as the holy grail, but I also believe the merit it offers cannot be overstated either. Insulin = good (at very specific times for very specific intended results). Now... about that cornbread... I just happen to have about 16 boxes of it, all lined up at 90 degree angles in perfect rows in the cupboard, lol How did those get there? Would you advocate deriving post workout carbs from a dual-source or triad of carbs; or would the resulting effect not be advantageous over simply eating one source to elicit blood sugar modulation? For example, would you see any benefit realized from eating a 1/1/1 ratio (to comprise the usual 90-120g carbs PWO) of cornbread/rice-chex (cereal)/honey? The Rice-Chex and Honey is something I have been doing for eons (well, maybe not that long) because of the processed rice (lacking any sugar) and obvious demonstrated health benefits and sugar concentration of honey.
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